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Imperial Democracy

What with the U.S Elections going on, Rumsfeld stepping down, VA votes still being counted, Saddam Hussein being sentenced to death, and most importantly, Parmanu writing a post on the first manned space mission of India, I thought of posting this thought provoking video. Arundhati Roy talks about U.S Policies and much more. It is pretty long..about 50 minutes. But listen to it for 10 minutes if not more!

Here is the transcript for those who prefer reading her speech.

In the three years of George Bush the Lesser’s term, the American economy has lost more than two million jobs. Outlandish military expenses, corporate welfare, and tax giveaways to the rich have created a financial crisis for the U.S. educational system. According to a survey by the National Council of State Legislatures, U.S. states cut 49 billion dollars in public services, health, welfare benefits, and education in 2002. They plan to cut another 25.7 billion dollars this year. That makes a total of 75 billion dollars. Bush’s initial budget request to Congress to finance the war in Iraq was 80 billion dollars.

So who’s paying for the war? America’s poor. Its students, its unemployed, its single mothers, its hospital and home-care patients, its teachers, and health workers.

And who’s actually fighting the war?

Once again, America’s poor. The soldiers who are baking in Iraq’s desert sun are not the children of the rich. Only one of all the representatives in the House of Representatives and the Senate has a child fighting in Iraq. America’s “volunteer” army in fact depends on a poverty draft of poor whites, Blacks, Latinos, and Asians looking for a way to earn a living and get an education. Federal statistics show that African Americans make up 21 percent of the total armed forces and 29 percent of the U.S. army. They count for only 12 percent of the general population. It’s ironic, isn’t it – the disproportionately high representation of African Americans in the army and prison? Perhaps we should take a positive view, and look at this as affirmative action at its most effective. Nearly 4 million Americans (2 percent of the population) have lost the right to vote because of felony convictions. Of that number, 1.4 million are African Americans, which means that 13 percent of all voting-age Black people have been disenfranchised.

The Patriot Act ushers in an era of systemic automated surveillance. It gives the government the authority to monitor phones and computers and spy on people in ways that would have seemed completely unacceptable a few years ago. It gives the FBI the power to seize all of the circulation, purchasing, and other records of library users and bookstore customers on the suspicion that they are part of a terrorist network. It blurs the boundaries between speech and criminal activity creating the space to construe acts of civil disobedience as violating the law.

Already hundreds of people are being held indefinitely as “unlawful combatants.” (In India, the number is in the thousands. In Israel, 5,000 Palestinians are now being detained.) Non-citizens, of course, have no rights at all. They can simply be “disappeared” like the people of Chile under Washington’s old ally, General Pinochet. More than 1,000 people, many of them Muslim or of Middle Eastern origin, have been detained, some without access to legal representatives.

Apart from paying the actual economic costs of war, American people are paying for these wars of “liberation” with their own freedoms. For the ordinary American, the price of “New Democracy” in other countries is the death of real democracy at home.

nations. Empire is paranoid because it has a soft underbelly.

Its “homeland” may be defended by border patrols and nuclear weapons, but its economy is strung out across the globe. Its economic outposts are exposed and vulnerable. Already the Internet is buzzing with elaborate lists of American and British government products and companies that should be boycotted. Apart from the usual targets – Coke, Pepsi, McDonalds – government agencies like USAID, the British DFID, British and American banks, Arthur Andersen, Merrill Lynch, and American Express could find themselves under siege. These lists are being honed and refined by activists across the world. They could become a practical guide that directs the amorphous but growing fury in the world. Suddenly, the “inevitability” of the project of Corporate Globalization is beginning to seem more than a little evitable.

Another urgent challenge is to expose the corporate media for the boardroom bulletin that it really is. We need to create a universe of alternative information. We need to support independent media like Democracy Now!, Alternative Radio, and South End Press.

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20 thoughts on “Imperial Democracy

  1. she looks soo scared…she might have way with words, but something is missing in her speaking…

    It just looks like she memorized it all..and reciting it as a poem..!

    Nonetheless, good speech

  2. Parmanu,

    “she looks soo scared…she might have way with words, but something is missing in her speaking…”

    She is a writer and not a politician!!

    Sk,

    the speech was delivered on 10/24/06 in Harlem, NY.

    Some key points:

    “George Bush the First, who was at the time on his presidential campaign, was asked to comment on the incident. He said quite subtly, “I will never apologize for the United States. I don’t care what the facts are.”

    ” Public support in the U.S. for the war against Iraq was founded on a multi-tiered edifice of falsehood and deceit, coordinated by the U.S. government and faithfully amplified by the corporate media.”

    “The safety and security of Iraqi people was not their business. The security of whatever little remained of Iraq’s infrastructure was not their business. But the security and safety of Iraq’s oil fields were. Of course they were. The oil fields were “secured” almost before the invasion began.”

    “The project of corporate globalization has cracked the code. Free elections, a free press, and an independent judiciary mean little when the free market has reduced them to commodities on sale to the highest bidder.”

    ” In the United States, the arrangement is more complex. Clear Channel Worldwide Incorporated is the largest radio station owner in the country. It runs more than 1,200 channels, which together account for 9 percent of the market. Its CEO contributed hundreds of thousands of dollars to Bush’s election campaign. When hundreds of thousands of American citizens took to the streets to protest against the war on Iraq, Clear Channel organized pro-war patriotic “Rallies for America” across the country. It used its radio stations to advertise the events and then sent correspondents to cover them as though they were breaking news. The era of manufacturing consent has given way to the era of manufacturing news. Soon media newsrooms will drop the pretense, and start hiring theatre directors instead of journalists.”

    There are many more..I think I will put up a link to the chat transcript in the post.

  3. “..She is a writer and not a politician!! ..”
    Thanks for enlightening me. Next time I will make sure that I comment only on politicians about their oratary skills.

    “..Maybe she’s not a good public speaker. Probably that’s because she never went to the U of A (or NCSU or Tufts). ..”
    Or just CBIT.

    I agree with sk. There is nothing pathbreaking about her views. You have to weigh in both good and bad about america to let anyone form an opinion.
    And indeed, US has done if not more at least same good as bad to this world, and they deserve credit too.

    Shrav says,
    “..I’m wondering if it takes Arundathi Roy for you to sit up and take notice?? (joking) ..”

    I say
    “..I’m wondering if it takes Arundathi Roy for you to sit up and take notice?? (NOT joking) ..”

  4. “Next time I will make sure that I comment only on politicians about their oratary skills.”

    Good!! What good is a politician without outstanding oratory skills?

    “It’s just that (as I mentioned above) several famous personalities have said the same things before her. I’m wondering if it takes Arundathi Roy for you to sit up and take notice?? (joking)”

    when did I say that she has said anything new??? Have I ever said so?

    Also, did I say that I took a note of the current state of affairs only due to her?? Hell No!! If that is all that you can decipher, then I think you just took notice of “her”. She does look pretty good!

    Parmanu,

    “..I’m wondering if it takes Arundathi Roy for you to sit up and take notice?? (NOT joking) ..””

    So what??? Atleast I admire someone who deserves to be admired. What’s wrong with that? Could you have summarized the entire situation in a manner that she did? I’m sure you couldn’t. Let’s give her some credit!

  5. “..Could you have summarized the entire situation in a manner that she did? ..I’m sure you couldn’t… ”
    You are right. I would have done better. All she said summarizes to just one line
    “US is one BAD country. ”

    “P.S. I wonder why no Osama tape was released on the eve of these elections? …”
    Steven spielberg took a sick leave. Shooting cancelled.

    “..Did the republicans really expect to win on the basis of the judgment in the Saddam trial? ”

    Whoeevr put that theory must be one confused soul. I dont think reps are that confused though.

  6. Everyone is entitled to raise their opinions and thoughts, but her speech regarding the support of Iraqi resistance and War is plain dumb. There is no Iraqi resistance, just extremist sponsored attacks and a growing division between Sunni, Kurdish and Shia factions. She has made numbers of speeches against the India and its elected Indian government and their tough measures in Kashmir. However what I find lacking is an appreciation of the sacrifices made by Indian and American soldiers to terrorism. It’s easy for her to make all these passionate left wing statements or join a crowd censuring President Bush while a strategic alliance is being made. What she doesn’t want to understand that many people or we call it many innocents who are dieing every day in Iraq or in Afghanistan is because of suicide bombers “Terrorists” not by NATO forces or by USA forces. I do agree some innocent has been killed by NATO and US forces both in Iraq and in Afghanistan but we should also understand about 90 percent people died because of suicide bombers not by forces bombings. There are many things one can rant about the United States (G W Bush) and the faults of western nations/superpowers.

    Arundhati Roy, the Messiah and Goddess of HOPE, the dreamer, the five star activist saving the world with her grace, the wonderful beautiful savior of humanity, who dreams and gives hope to us all, Tireless fighter for the oppressed and poor, citizen of the world, globe-trotting anti-globalization activist, let’s remind ourselves of who she supports.

    She supports men who strap bombs to their bodies, blowing themselves up in markets killing children, women and men, in order to spark a sunni-shia war, in order to oust the Americans and make Iraq fall apart. So in short she does support Suicide Bombers!

    Take a recent example:

    Arundhati Roy has a long article in Outlook where she tells us why Afzal Guru’s life should not become extinct. In her essay she said if we hang him we will never come to know who has really bombed Indian Parliament, means in other she is saying Guru is innocent and don’t hang him. So she is raising question on Indian constitutional entity.

    Life is a bitch, so are leaders many times, yet things do work out despite them. In these war of ideas, people have got caught up in the big romanticized ideas and visions, yet forget to see that it is basics like honesty sound governance, and accepting responsibility for one’s actions and correcting the wrong and maybe even learning a thing or two from others that allows growth in life.

  7. Ekawaaz,

    “but we should also understand about 90 percent people died because of suicide bombers not by forces bombings. There are many things one can rant about the United States (G W Bush) and the faults of western nations/superpowers.”

    Where did you get that number from? Can you cite some neutral source to support this claim?

    “means in other she is saying Guru is innocent and don’t hang him. So she is raising question on Indian constitutional entity.”

    You cannot possibly equate things like this. Just because someone is against death sentence doesn’t mean that the accused is innocent. She isn’t saying that. Giving capital punishment doesn’t solve anything. Think of all the evidence that will be destroyed with this man’s death. Besides, do you think that people like Guru care enough if they are hanged? He would have taken a cyanide tablet and committed suicide anyway!! The real treat is in keeping them alive and giving them rigorous imprisonment.

  8. @cotton

    Thanks for aswering my comment really appreciate it. first I will answer second comment.

    “You cannot possibly equate things like this. Just because someone is against death sentence doesn’t mean that the accused is innocent. She isn’t saying that. Giving capital punishment doesn’t solve anything. Think of all the evidence that will be destroyed with this man’s death. Besides, do you think that people like Guru care enough if they are hanged? He would have taken a cyanide tablet and committed suicide anyway!! The real treat is in keeping them alive and giving them rigorous imprisonment”

    Its a Treason not A CRIME?

    Abetting and aiding anti-national activities (treason) is a capital crime the last time I checked. Further, there was murder involved as you may have heard. Our innocent’s security guards got killed in saving our dignity and our highest foundation of our democracy. Many of them, mostly poor, lost their bread earners and it will not be fair on their part if Afzal is not subjected to highest punishment. I am also against the capital punishment I know hanging to neck until death is an extreme kind of penalty but the conspiring against the most important institution and the nations pride is the biggest crime too.

    My comment in question

    ““means in other she is saying Guru is innocent and don’t hang him. So she is raising question on Indian constitutional entity.”

    I said this becuase thats what it said in her article which published in outlook. Its very long article about 16 pages you can read, I will just paste the para which really made me think that she is raising the question against our country entity.

    “The story of Mohammed Afzal has enraged Kashmiris because his story is their story too. What has happened to him could have happened, is happening and has happened to thousands of young Kashmiri men and their families. The only difference is that their stories are played out in the dingy bowels of joint interrogation centres, army camps and police stations where they have been burned, beaten, electrocuted, blackmailed and killed, their bodies thrown out of the backs of trucks for passers-by to find. Whereas Afzal’s story is being performed like a piece of medieval theatre on the national stage, in the clear light of day, with the legal sanction of a ‘fair trial’, the hollow benefits of a ‘free press’ and all the pomp and ceremony of a so-called democracy.

    If Afzal is hanged, we’ll never know the answer to the real question: Who attacked the Indian Parliament? Was it the Lashkar-e-Toiba? The Jaish-e-Mohammed? Or does the answer lie somewhere deep in the secret heart of this country that we all live in and love and hate in our own beautiful, intricate, various, and thorny ways?”

    If you wish to read the article here is link
    http://www.countercurrents.org/hr-roy311006.htm

    “Where did you get that number from? Can you cite some neutral source to support this claim?

    Well cotton I will find some links its just a matter of time but what I wanted to say is do really people think that all killings in Iraq has been done by forces? Dont we here every day sucide bombers killed so so many innocents? Since war finsihed tell me how many times forces went for bombing? But as you had raised the question so I will find some neutral sorces to suport my arguments.

    Yeah really appreciate your effort and the way you answered my comments.

  9. “..Where did you get that number from? Can you cite some neutral source to support this claim?..”
    Cotton, I do not know about the accuracy of this claim but I would think thats in the right range. 650,000 civilian deaths…other than few isolated incidents like haditha, where did u hear US troops killing people. When you hear sucide bomber in news every day, i dont think u need any ‘neutral source’ to prove this claim.

    “Besides, do you think that people like Guru care enough if they are hanged? ..”
    Yes. They do. He filed a mercy petition from HIS side for the first time this morning.

    I think u and shrav r getting at death is easier \rewarding sentence than lifetime imprisonment. Thats a whole lot of different issue than ‘opposing death penalty’. Most people oppose death penalty not because they think its too easy, bcos they think we have no right to take a life. I oppose it for the same reason and not for the reason you quoted.

    @shrav,
    “..who brought Saddam to power in Iraq? Who created the Taliban and hence Al Qaeda? Who helped Pakistan create Madressas to train militants? ..”

    “..I don’t really think she needed to have talked about how great the US is because:
    1. you can listen to George Bush’s speeches for that and
    2. it is irrelevant to the topic of her speech. ..”

    Well I really do not know whats going on here. we all agree US has some double standard international policies..(though I would argue on what you said abt saddam and iraq, i will just leave it for now)
    But why this has to be ONLY bitching about US.
    Why is that we think only george bush can tell us what is good about america.
    Are we all in this country because bush told us.
    Which country gives freedom of speech, tolerance towards other races as much as US does? Which country has punished their own soilders for war crimes against the civilians of the country they are at war with…? And why does every country looks towards US when it comes to international aid…? Which country has brought more technology to the world upon which we r living..
    Do we really need geroge bush to say that. Are these the facts only George bush can appreicate?

    And what is so big deal abt senior bush saying ‘I dont care abt facts’. Its a statement from then vice-president and presidential hopeful candidate. Of course he will not aplogize for US. Its not his place to aplogize. Why is ‘I dont care abt facts’ is taken as a stand of entire nation??

    Now just dont pounce back on me as a US fan. I am biggest opponent of war and many of american policies and i have criticized them on my blog even before. But when it just turns into one side bitching without even acknowledging the necessity of giving credit for US for all their good work, while living in US, while feeding ourselves with US dollars, and US education, I feel rather ungrateful.

    Again, this does not translate as ‘Just because we r in US, we should treat US as God’. I did not say that and I am afraid that will be coming. I am not saying that. have your views, have your opinion, but just dont get carried away either ways…

    That is all I expect from a good critic of roy’s standard.

    (sorry for long comment, I am not proof reading it because I am just too tired, some sentences might not make any sense..just ignore those or may be ignore the entire comment!)

  10. “..Yes, and whose fault is this? Why did the US have to go and attack Iraq in the first place? ..”

    Thats a different issue. All I commented was how people were dying. Who was the root cause behind it was not the question and I dont think any stats would say that either…

    (Although if some suicide bomber is ready to blow himself up and kill his OWN people, its not an easy task whom to put blame on..Quran didnt say that…that doesnt make any bush any less stupid..that I agree)

    I have opposed and blamed Bush for iraq all the time..so yes I do KNOW who is responsible..I even dislike their nuclear policty, use of nukes against japan, vietnam, cuba, etc..

    I am glad, that sarcastically though,..you have thanked US for its great deeds..i am sure sarcasm wud fade away soon..

    you are right roy’s speech was not abt sci-tech contribution..but it was (from what i understand from first 10 minutes) was abt effect of US policies on the world..
    and she just started with completely out of context ‘i dont care abt facts’ … , and just kept on repeating it as a standard for US policies..

    Honestly between saddam and bush, I am glad saddam didnt have as much power as bush, things would have been whole lot different..

    Point being, this is a natural outcome of power, before world wars, when UK was superpower, they tried to rule everyone…
    and any middle eastern country wud try to that if they were in power..and so would INDIA…
    so I am glad at least this power is in some democratic hands.., instead of some monarch.

    As I said, jiski lathi uski bhais..

  11. oh about Zacarias Moussaoui,

    “..At least two people (cotton and the judge who sentenced Zacarias Moussaoui to life imprisonment) agree with me that a death sentence is too easy a way out for jihadis. ..”

    Judge didnt have much choice as the decision was made by jurors. So may be they thought killing would be too easy on him..or may be they didnt..i dont know..

    abt Guru,

    I dont really agree that we should spare his life to prevent him for becoming a martyr. So when we hang a civilian for crime against ONE perosn, we r saying..ok..u r not that important, no one will care if u die, so die…, and for terrorist, even if thats a crime against the entire nation..ahh well..u r too important to die…, just hang around here..
    According to me, Law should be uniform and should not recognize the implication of handing over a verdict from person to person..

    Having said that, according to me, taking a life away is not a right given to man or society and thats why like most of the countries, India should abolish death penalty.

  12. Parmanu,
    “Thats a different issue. All I commented was how people were dying. Who was the root cause behind it was not the question and I dont think any stats would say that either…”
    Why is it a different issue? Aren’t we talking about U.S policies? If we talk about US’s technology, bread, butter, oil etc etc , then why not talk about its causes for taking such an action? They are the ones who supported Saddam in the 60s and 70s! This is truly awesome! First, they literally “throne” someone, and later, when they see that it’s not really working out the way they thought that it would, they go ahead and try to “dethrone” him!
    “and she just started with completely out of context ‘i dont care abt facts’ … , and just kept on repeating it as a standard for US policies..”
    She quoted Bush as not caring about the facts! Infact, she really cares about the subject matter to come to the US and speak about it! This is what she said:
    “Some of you will think it bad manners for a person like me, officially entered in the Big Book of Modern Nations as an “Indian citizen,” to come here and criticize the U.S. government. Speaking for myself, I’m no flag-waver, no patriot, and am fully aware that venality, brutality, and hypocrisy are imprinted on the leaden soul of every state. But when a country ceases to be merely a country and becomes an empire, then the scale of operations changes dramatically. So may I clarify that tonight I speak as a subject of the American Empire? I speak as a slave who presumes to criticize her king.”
    “so I am glad at least this power is in some democratic hands.., instead of some monarch.”
    This is sooo FUNNY! If US were so democratic as you claim it to be, then channels like Fox, CNN etc. would be airing something different! The Patriot Act would never have been passed!! But yes, I do agree that US is one of the best countries to live in as a foreigner. (Ofcourse, you are branded as an alien as soon as you step into their soil).
    By the way, whereas I do appreciate the fact that the US economy is paying for the food on my table, I also have the minds to notice that I am contributing to their economy too! They are not paying me for nothing! Also, in the future, unfortunately for me, I will be contributing to the US economy and not to the Indian economy (assumption: I am not talking about the GNP and NNP of India here).
    “Judge didnt have much choice as the decision was made by jurors. So may be they thought killing would be too easy on him..or may be they didnt..i dont know..”
    In every “democratic” country, the judge has the right to veto the decision of the jurors if need be. Or he can ask the jurors to reconsider their decision.
    “I dont really agree that we should spare his life to prevent him for becoming a martyr. So when we hang a civilian for crime against ONE perosn, we r saying..ok..u r not that important, no one will care if u die, so die…, and for terrorist, even if thats a crime against the entire nation..ahh well..u r too important to die…, just hang around here..”
    I don’t agree with you on both these points. A person is sentenced to death only in the “rarest of the rare” cases. There are 7 clauses that need to be satisfied. If you want those clauses, let me know. I will pull them out from the IPC for you. And, committing a crime against the nation does fall into one of those clauses. So, this is the reason why he has been sentenced to death. But I don’t agree with this clause. Like I mentioned earlier, he doesn’t care about dying anyway! The fact that he has appealed for his life doesn’t prove anything. It just proves that a person will always go through the remedy available even though he doesn’t care much about it.
    It’s funny that the world’s biggest democracy. the United States, awards death penalty so casually!

  13. cotton, forgive me for being rude…

    i can rip u apart on each of the points in the comment u have made above…
    [given u do not delete any of those or mine]

    You r just jumping and confusing one issue with another..
    and most of them r just figment of ur imagination and contradicting ur own statements…

    (best of them being u find it funny that US is a democratic nation )

    Let us handle one topic at a time. US foriegn policies, us democracy, iraq history, moussavi, indians in usa, guru afzhal.

  14. My last comment on this issue. I have been rude only on the comments with no personal disrespect intended. We just think differently and I think u r wrong and u think I am wrong. I have nothing more to add after this comment.

    “Thats a different issue. All I commented was how people were dying. Who was the root cause behind it was not the question and I dont think any stats would say that either…
    Why is it a different issue? Aren’t we talking about U.S policies?”

    You asked ekawaz does he\she has any stats to prove the claim that most of the deaths are by suicide bombers. To me it means that u dont believe that fact as it is and all i said is its true its by suicide bombers. And now since u dont have any counter claim, u r going back that even suicide bombers are cause of US invasion. That may be true, but the point was only that most of the deaths ARE by suicide bombers and not who is responsible for those bombings and it IS a different issue. So please stick to the specific question you ask. If u anyways knew its all done by US what stats u were aksing ekawaz??

    “..If we talk about US’s technology, bread, butter, oil etc etc , then why not talk about its causes for taking such an action?..”

    Who says NOT speak. Did not I make it clear that one should speak about both and not only one.

    “..First, they literally “throne” someone
    I have no idea where u got that from. If u r reffering to rumsfled handshake with saddam, that came long after saddam was in power and he overthrew a CIA supported bathist govt.

    “She quoted Bush as not caring about the facts! Infact, she really cares about the subject matter to come to the US and speak about it! This is what she said:
    “Some of you will think it bad manners for a person like me, officially entered in the Big Book of Modern Nations as an “Indian citizen,”

    How is this even related to what I said??? All I said was she later uses the phrase ‘i dont care abt facts’ as a slogan of US.

    “so I am glad at least this power is in some democratic hands.., instead of some monarch.”
    This is sooo FUNNY! If US were so democratic as you claim it to be, then channels like Fox, CNN etc. would be airing something different! The Patriot Act would never have been passed!! But yes, I do agree that US is one of the best countries to live in as a foreigner. (Ofcourse, you are branded as an alien as soon as you step into their soil)…”

    Yea really funny. Show me what CNN is airing is anti-democratic. Just one news, one report or anything which u think is not democratic. It might be skewed or pro-USA, but if u look up the word democracy in dictionary it need not be anti-usa. Democracy as “I claim”. Wow…!!
    And what do u want them to as soon as u step here. Give u US citizenship?? Just look any other country including india and see who is better at immigration.

    “By the way, whereas I do appreciate the fact that the US economy is paying for the food on my table, I also have the minds to notice that I am contributing to their economy too! They are not paying me for
    nothing! Also, in the future, unfortunately for me, I will be contributing to the US economy and not to the Indian economy (assumption: I am not talking about the GNP and NNP of India here).”
    US did not call u. U APPLIED here. Yes both worker and employer have a give and take relationship. And US is giving you freedom of speech too for example this blog. do u know indian govt banned most of the blogs for few days..!!
    Thats ANTI-DEMOCRATIC

    “Judge didnt have much choice as the decision was made by jurors. So may be they thought killing would be too easy on him..or may be they didnt..i dont know..”
    In every “democratic” country, the judge has the right to veto the decision of the jurors if need be. Or he can ask the jurors to reconsider their decision.

    Now u really need to look up the word democracy. It has nothing to do in this context. Its a age old custom that judge doesnt change jury’s decision. Its their country, its their law. And I dont see anything anti-democratic abt it.

    “I dont really agree that we should spare his life to prevent him for becoming a martyr. So when we hang a civilian for crime against ONE perosn, we r saying..ok..u r not that important, no one will care if u die, so die…, and for terrorist, even if thats a crime against the entire nation..ahh well..u r too important to die…, just hang around here..”
    I don’t agree with you on both these points. A person is sentenced to death only in the “rarest of the rare” cases. There are 7 clauses that need to be satisfied. If you want those clauses, let me know. I will pull them out from the IPC for you.

    NO thanks. I dont need legal lessons. I know its in the law. I am saying law should be changed. If someone wants to change the law and u say its in the law u cannot change it, THATS FUNNY.

    “..Like I mentioned earlier, he doesn’t care about dying anyway! The fact that he has appealed for his life doesn’t prove anything. It just proves that a person will always go through the remedy available even though he doesn’t care much about it…”
    Yes thats one hell of a proof. I dont care abt this but I want this Sure. Read your own sentence again.

    It’s funny that the world’s biggest democracy. the United States, awards death penalty so casually!
    And which death sentence was awarded “casually”. Do u even read facts or just hallucinate..!

  15. My quotes are misplaced in the above comment so it might sound confusing what i said and what cotton said.
    cotton if u have time change that, if not never mind….

  16. Sorry I didn’t read the whole thing.But yea,the election results do seem to be kinda funny.I don’t really know much to say but that expression on Bush’s face when he said he was trying to get the Indian deal done was funny.I think it’s gonna be goodbye nuclear power India.

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